The Deserve to Win crew is back with a monster 25th episode.

Repeat-litgator turned Plaintiff’s lawyer Andrew Perrong becomes the first person EVER to be invited back to the podcast. He earned his return trip with two huge recent rulings—one a big win and one a big loss.

In Bradford Perrong earned a win that may mean government employees are directly liable under the TCPA for the first time ever.

And in Perrong—his namesake case—he lost a massive ATDS ruling at the Third Circuit Court of Appeals.

We poke and prod on both cases—and also get to the bottom of his new 90’s boy band hairstyle.

Before we get to the interview though there is a ton to cover.

First, the Czar breaks down the new Pinto v. Drazen 11th Circuit COA ruling that could change everything we know about TCPA class action settlements.

Then the Baroness breaks down a new ruling with a different repeat-litigator—Thane Charman.

The Dame gets into the mix with a breakdown of new AI regulations popping up across the nation.

And Queenie takes us home with a great discussion of the new lawsuit against Twilio claiming it is responsible for untold quantities of unwanted spam messages.

It’s a simply incredible episode and one you can’t afford to miss!!