Our first episode of 2022 features Timothy O’Toole, and a discussion about U.S.-China relations, and the ways in which the U.S. uses trade—and in particular controls on exports—as a national security and foreign policy tool. Tim also is a great example of the wide variety of work that a lawyer can do over a career; he tells us about spending the first half of his career working as a public defender, focusing on the rights of criminal defendants, and then, 17 years after leaving law school, reinventing himself as a sought-after specialist in trade law. We’ll also get garrulous with Tim about his 1980s new wave band, The Birch Bark Canoes, and the glory days of college radio. And you can check out more of Tim on his own podcast, Embargoed!, which focuses on the law of exports.